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need best Win98SE driver for ATI Radeon 9800 Pro - please help
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Adam
2005-12-04 02:15:53 UTC
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ATI Catalyst Radeon Display Driver 4.3 (Windows 98/ME)
http://www.techspot.com/drivers/driver/file/information/2663/ati-catalyst-radeon
-display-43-98-me/

Is this the best Win98SE driver for ATI Radeon 9800 Pro?
Ryan Weihl
2005-12-04 02:22:06 UTC
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Post by Adam
ATI Catalyst Radeon Display Driver 4.3 (Windows 98/ME)
http://www.techspot.com/drivers/driver/file/information/2663/ati-catalyst-radeon
-display-43-98-me/
Is this the best Win98SE driver for ATI Radeon 9800 Pro?
try the ATI website
Adam
2005-12-04 02:32:01 UTC
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Post by Ryan Weihl
Post by Adam
ATI Catalyst Radeon Display Driver 4.3 (Windows 98/ME)
http://www.techspot.com/drivers/driver/file/information/2663/ati-catalyst-radeon
Post by Ryan Weihl
Post by Adam
-display-43-98-me/
Is this the best Win98SE driver for ATI Radeon 9800 Pro?
try the ATI website
Catalyst Windows 98 / ME - Driver Download
https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folder
ID=27

... says the following for Windows 98SE ...

===========================================================
Windows 98SE is supported through the Windows Millennium Edition driver.

For users that require a WHQL certified driver that is supported under Windows
98/98SE and Windows ME, ATI recommends using the Catalyst 4.3 drivers (Supports
Radeon 7000 through Radeon 9800 Series only).
===========================================================

Should I download and use the driver located on the above URL?
Or, find (which I can't) and use the Catalyst 4.3 drivers?
Neil Harrington
2005-12-04 18:14:13 UTC
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Post by Adam
Post by Ryan Weihl
Post by Adam
ATI Catalyst Radeon Display Driver 4.3 (Windows 98/ME)
http://www.techspot.com/drivers/driver/file/information/2663/ati-catalyst-radeon
Post by Ryan Weihl
Post by Adam
-display-43-98-me/
Is this the best Win98SE driver for ATI Radeon 9800 Pro?
try the ATI website
Catalyst Windows 98 / ME - Driver Download
https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folder
ID=27
... says the following for Windows 98SE ...
===========================================================
Windows 98SE is supported through the Windows Millennium Edition driver.
For users that require a WHQL certified driver that is supported under Windows
98/98SE and Windows ME, ATI recommends using the Catalyst 4.3 drivers (Supports
Radeon 7000 through Radeon 9800 Series only).
===========================================================
Should I download and use the driver located on the above URL?
Or, find (which I can't) and use the Catalyst 4.3 drivers?
The ATI site is *exasperating* when it comes to trying to find older
drivers, but they are there. As for finding them, think of it as playing a
kind of puzzle or adventure game.

Get to a drivers page for Win98 and when you find it only provides the
latest (Catalyst 5.9) drivers, go to the search window and enter "previous
drivers"--this should eventually get you to a page which has "RADEON
Previous Windows ME Driver and Software versions"--which includes all
available drivers for Win98 and ME, including Catalyst 4.3 and associated
software.

Or try this, which should get you there directly:
https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=27
Neil Harrington
2005-12-05 00:34:52 UTC
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[ . . . ]
Post by Neil Harrington
The ATI site is *exasperating* when it comes to trying to find older
drivers, but they are there. As for finding them, think of it as playing a
kind of puzzle or adventure game.
Get to a drivers page for Win98 and when you find it only provides the
latest (Catalyst 5.9) drivers, go to the search window and enter "previous
drivers"--this should eventually get you to a page which has "RADEON
Previous Windows ME Driver and Software versions"--which includes all
available drivers for Win98 and ME, including Catalyst 4.3 and associated
software.
https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=27
Well, I see that only gets you to the page with the search window. Again,
enter "previous drivers" in the search window and that will take you to the
page you want, though the page address doesn't change.
Adam
2005-12-05 00:40:38 UTC
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Post by Neil Harrington
[ . . . ]
Post by Neil Harrington
The ATI site is *exasperating* when it comes to trying to find older
drivers, but they are there. As for finding them, think of it as playing a
kind of puzzle or adventure game.
Get to a drivers page for Win98 and when you find it only provides the
latest (Catalyst 5.9) drivers, go to the search window and enter "previous
drivers"--this should eventually get you to a page which has "RADEON
Previous Windows ME Driver and Software versions"--which includes all
available drivers for Win98 and ME, including Catalyst 4.3 and associated
software.
https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folder
ID=27
Post by Neil Harrington
Well, I see that only gets you to the page with the search window. Again,
enter "previous drivers" in the search window and that will take you to the
page you want, though the page address doesn't change.
I tried searching ATI's website but still no luck.
Let me know if you're actually able to download the Catalyst 4.3 drivers.
Mark
2005-12-05 02:37:57 UTC
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Post by Neil Harrington
Well, I see that only gets you to the page with the search window.
Again, enter "previous drivers" in the search window and that will
take you to the page you want, though the page address doesn't
change.
I tried searching ATI's website but still no luck. Let me know if
you're actually able to download the Catalyst 4.3 drivers.
While I agree that the site is poorly layed out, there's no need to
search the entire site when the link for Catalyst v4.3 is accessible
from the ATI Customer Care left frame?

Just go here with your mouse:

ATI Customer Care > Drivers and Software > Windows ME > RADEON >
Previous Drivers and Software > CATALYST 4.3 Driver Build
4.14.01.91387-991-040224m-013831c
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Adam
2005-12-05 08:09:00 UTC
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Post by Mark
Post by Neil Harrington
Well, I see that only gets you to the page with the search window.
Again, enter "previous drivers" in the search window and that will
take you to the page you want, though the page address doesn't
change.
I tried searching ATI's website but still no luck. Let me know if
you're actually able to download the Catalyst 4.3 drivers.
While I agree that the site is poorly layed out, there's no need to
search the entire site when the link for Catalyst v4.3 is accessible
from the ATI Customer Care left frame?
ATI Customer Care > Drivers and Software > Windows ME > RADEON >
Previous Drivers and Software > CATALYST 4.3 Driver Build
4.14.01.91387-991-040224m-013831c
--
Mark
Oh good! However, after downloading and installing ATI Catalyst 4.3
(both display driver and control panel), I get the following error message:

"While initializing device IOS:
ERROR: Real mode system memory allocation failed."

This error message is displayed before Win98SE loads.
After getting the message, a reboot is required.

Does this mean that something is wrong with the video card?
Adam
2005-12-05 14:41:56 UTC
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On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 08:09:00 GMT If you fall from a tree,leave your
Post by Adam
Oh good! However, after downloading and installing ATI Catalyst 4.3
ERROR: Real mode system memory allocation failed."
This error message is displayed before Win98SE loads.
After getting the message, a reboot is required.
Does this mean that something is wrong with the video card?
Possible card failure and or system RAM IMHO.
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Since restoring the backup boot partition,
my Win98SE system no longer halts with the error message:

"While initializing device IOS:
ERROR: Real mode system memory allocation failed."


The only changes made to the boot partition after backing up were:
- upgraded from DX8.1b to DX9.0c
- installed ATI Catalyst 4.3
[Display Driver: wme-7-991-040224m-013831c.exe
Control Panel: control-panel-7-991-040224m-013831c.exe]

I'm not sure if ...
- DX9.0c is the best version to use
- the best versions of ATI Catalyst were downloaded and installed
tod
2005-12-04 02:34:35 UTC
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4.3 sounds about the right version.
Post by Adam
ATI Catalyst Radeon Display Driver 4.3 (Windows 98/ME)
http://www.techspot.com/drivers/driver/file/information/2663/ati-catalyst-radeon
-display-43-98-me/
Is this the best Win98SE driver for ATI Radeon 9800 Pro?
Adam
2005-12-04 02:43:30 UTC
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Post by tod
4.3 sounds about the right version.
Post by Adam
ATI Catalyst Radeon Display Driver 4.3 (Windows 98/ME)
http://www.techspot.com/drivers/driver/file/information/2663/ati-catalyst-radeon
Post by tod
Post by Adam
-display-43-98-me/
Is this the best Win98SE driver for ATI Radeon 9800 Pro?
Anyone know where the Catalyst 4.3 drivers can be downloaded?
KCB
2005-12-04 02:58:19 UTC
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Post by Adam
Post by tod
4.3 sounds about the right version.
Post by Adam
ATI Catalyst Radeon Display Driver 4.3 (Windows 98/ME)
http://www.techspot.com/drivers/driver/file/information/2663/ati-catalyst-radeon
Post by tod
Post by Adam
-display-43-98-me/
Is this the best Win98SE driver for ATI Radeon 9800 Pro?
Anyone know where the Catalyst 4.3 drivers can be downloaded?
I found them here at guru3d
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=750
Adam
2005-12-04 03:11:09 UTC
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Post by KCB
Post by Adam
Post by tod
4.3 sounds about the right version.
Post by Adam
ATI Catalyst Radeon Display Driver 4.3 (Windows 98/ME)
http://www.techspot.com/drivers/driver/file/information/2663/ati-catalyst-radeon
Post by KCB
Post by Adam
Post by tod
Post by Adam
-display-43-98-me/
Is this the best Win98SE driver for ATI Radeon 9800 Pro?
Anyone know where the Catalyst 4.3 drivers can be downloaded?
I found them here at guru3d
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=750
Thanks! You guys are super cool !!!

I don't know why ATI doesn't make available for
download a driver that they themselves recommend.
Adam
2005-12-04 05:58:19 UTC
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Post by KCB
Post by Adam
Post by tod
4.3 sounds about the right version.
Post by Adam
ATI Catalyst Radeon Display Driver 4.3 (Windows 98/ME)
http://www.techspot.com/drivers/driver/file/information/2663/ati-catalyst-radeon
Post by KCB
Post by Adam
Post by tod
Post by Adam
-display-43-98-me/
Is this the best Win98SE driver for ATI Radeon 9800 Pro?
Anyone know where the Catalyst 4.3 drivers can be downloaded?
I found them here at guru3d
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=750
After installing both the ATI Catalyst 4.3 Control Panel and
the video card, I get the following message:
"The ATI Control Panel failed to initialize because
no ATI driver is installed, or ATI driver is not working properly.
The ATI Control Panel will now exit."

The "Settings" tab of Display properties shows
the display to be:
ViewSonic P815-4 on Standard PCI Graphics Adapter (VGA)

Anyone know what is wrong?
Galen
2005-12-04 09:54:39 UTC
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Post by Adam
Post by KCB
Post by Adam
Post by tod
4.3 sounds about the right version.
Post by Adam
ATI Catalyst Radeon Display Driver 4.3 (Windows 98/ME)
http://www.techspot.com/drivers/driver/file/information/2663/ati-catalyst-radeon
Post by KCB
Post by Adam
Post by tod
Post by Adam
-display-43-98-me/
Is this the best Win98SE driver for ATI Radeon 9800 Pro?
Anyone know where the Catalyst 4.3 drivers can be downloaded?
I found them here at guru3d
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=750
After installing both the ATI Catalyst 4.3 Control Panel and
"The ATI Control Panel failed to initialize because
no ATI driver is installed, or ATI driver is not working properly.
The ATI Control Panel will now exit."
The "Settings" tab of Display properties shows
ViewSonic P815-4 on Standard PCI Graphics Adapter (VGA)
Anyone know what is wrong?
Nope... Just curious as to what you might be doing? <g> Actually this is my
standard chunk of spit junk for this sort of thing...

Head to http://www.driverguide.com and login... Use the user: drivers and
password: all combination for now OR sign up and get your own. Root in there
until you find what you want. Usually they've been kind enough to test such
stuff prior to posting and there's user reviews and the likes. I'd recommend
signing up for your own account as they have been claiming (for a couple of
years now) that they're going to kill off the generic password and user
combination. (Err... They haven't yet... Who knows if they really will or
not?)
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Adam
2005-12-04 13:41:12 UTC
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Post by Galen
Post by Adam
Post by KCB
Post by Adam
Post by tod
4.3 sounds about the right version.
Post by Adam
ATI Catalyst Radeon Display Driver 4.3 (Windows 98/ME)
http://www.techspot.com/drivers/driver/file/information/2663/ati-catalyst-radeon
Post by Galen
Post by Adam
Post by KCB
Post by Adam
Post by tod
Post by Adam
-display-43-98-me/
Is this the best Win98SE driver for ATI Radeon 9800 Pro?
Anyone know where the Catalyst 4.3 drivers can be downloaded?
I found them here at guru3d
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=750
After installing both the ATI Catalyst 4.3 Control Panel and
"The ATI Control Panel failed to initialize because
no ATI driver is installed, or ATI driver is not working properly.
The ATI Control Panel will now exit."
The "Settings" tab of Display properties shows
ViewSonic P815-4 on Standard PCI Graphics Adapter (VGA)
Anyone know what is wrong?
Nope... Just curious as to what you might be doing? <g> Actually this is my
standard chunk of spit junk for this sort of thing...
Head to http://www.driverguide.com and login... Use the user: drivers and
password: all combination for now OR sign up and get your own. Root in there
until you find what you want. Usually they've been kind enough to test such
stuff prior to posting and there's user reviews and the likes. I'd recommend
signing up for your own account as they have been claiming (for a couple of
years now) that they're going to kill off the generic password and user
combination. (Err... They haven't yet... Who knows if they really will or
not?)
--
Galen - MS MVP - Windows (Shell/User & IE)
http://dts-l.org/
"My life is spent in one long effort to escape from the commonplaces of
existence." - Sherlock Holmes
I went to www.driverguide.com but
they seem to be really busy and I can't login.
Noel Paton
2005-12-04 10:12:15 UTC
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Best guess is that you have display mismatch caused by enumeration
problems - start fixing it by forcing re-enumeration of the display
devices....
Reboot to Safe Mode
Open Device Manager
Remove ALL Display Adapters
Remove ALL Monitors
Reboot to Normal Mode - Windows will reinstall the required drivers
once that's done, see whether the ATI loads properly or not - if not, then
reboot back into Safe Mode, and run the installer again.
See if that works.

(Are you using Norton?)
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Post by Adam
Post by KCB
Post by Adam
Post by tod
4.3 sounds about the right version.
Post by Adam
ATI Catalyst Radeon Display Driver 4.3 (Windows 98/ME)
http://www.techspot.com/drivers/driver/file/information/2663/ati-catalyst-radeon
Post by KCB
Post by Adam
Post by tod
Post by Adam
-display-43-98-me/
Is this the best Win98SE driver for ATI Radeon 9800 Pro?
Anyone know where the Catalyst 4.3 drivers can be downloaded?
I found them here at guru3d
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=750
After installing both the ATI Catalyst 4.3 Control Panel and
"The ATI Control Panel failed to initialize because
no ATI driver is installed, or ATI driver is not working properly.
The ATI Control Panel will now exit."
The "Settings" tab of Display properties shows
ViewSonic P815-4 on Standard PCI Graphics Adapter (VGA)
Anyone know what is wrong?
Adam
2005-12-05 00:48:00 UTC
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Post by Adam
Post by KCB
Post by Adam
Post by tod
4.3 sounds about the right version.
Post by Adam
ATI Catalyst Radeon Display Driver 4.3 (Windows 98/ME)
http://www.techspot.com/drivers/driver/file/information/2663/ati-catalyst-radeon
Post by Adam
Post by KCB
Post by Adam
Post by tod
Post by Adam
-display-43-98-me/
Is this the best Win98SE driver for ATI Radeon 9800 Pro?
Anyone know where the Catalyst 4.3 drivers can be downloaded?
I found them here at guru3d
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=750
After installing both the ATI Catalyst 4.3 Control Panel and
"The ATI Control Panel failed to initialize because
no ATI driver is installed, or ATI driver is not working properly.
The ATI Control Panel will now exit."
The "Settings" tab of Display properties shows
ViewSonic P815-4 on Standard PCI Graphics Adapter (VGA)
Anyone know what is wrong?
Actually, I think I know what was wrong ...

ATI Catalyst 4.3 - Control Panel (no drivers)
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=750

ATI Catalyst 4.3 - Windows 98/ME (driver only)
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=747

But, the driver only link leads to nowhere. <sigh>
Adam
2005-12-05 00:52:28 UTC
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Post by Adam
Post by Adam
Post by KCB
Post by Adam
Post by tod
4.3 sounds about the right version.
Post by Adam
ATI Catalyst Radeon Display Driver 4.3 (Windows 98/ME)
http://www.techspot.com/drivers/driver/file/information/2663/ati-catalyst-radeon
Post by Adam
Post by Adam
Post by KCB
Post by Adam
Post by tod
Post by Adam
-display-43-98-me/
Is this the best Win98SE driver for ATI Radeon 9800 Pro?
Anyone know where the Catalyst 4.3 drivers can be downloaded?
I found them here at guru3d
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=750
After installing both the ATI Catalyst 4.3 Control Panel and
"The ATI Control Panel failed to initialize because
no ATI driver is installed, or ATI driver is not working properly.
The ATI Control Panel will now exit."
The "Settings" tab of Display properties shows
ViewSonic P815-4 on Standard PCI Graphics Adapter (VGA)
Anyone know what is wrong?
Actually, I think I know what was wrong ...
ATI Catalyst 4.3 - Control Panel (no drivers)
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=750
ATI Catalyst 4.3 - Windows 98/ME (driver only)
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=747
But, the driver only link leads to nowhere. <sigh>
Here's a list of all the ATI Catalyst drivers ...
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?id=18

Now, why can't ATI provide something like this?
Haggis
2005-12-06 12:26:55 UTC
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try these ...list of four

http://www.3dchipset.com/drivers/ati/official/9x/index.php
Adam
2005-12-06 16:05:14 UTC
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Post by Haggis
try these ...list of four
http://www.3dchipset.com/drivers/ati/official/9x/index.php
Attempting to download from that link leads to
an unauthorized download ATI page. This is the problem
I have been facing with many non-ATI driver download sites.
AlmostBob
2005-12-06 17:58:34 UTC
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most commercial web sites do not allow downloads where
httpreferrer is not from that site, a simple built in option in .asp and
.php programming,

to stop people claiming copyrighted material as their own
to lower the bandwidth used by pirates
and to reduce idiots being directed to the wrong drivers

get ATI drivers from ATI through ati's web site
follow ATIs search

there is no-one else
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Post by Adam
Post by Haggis
try these ...list of four
http://www.3dchipset.com/drivers/ati/official/9x/index.php
Attempting to download from that link leads to
an unauthorized download ATI page. This is the problem
I have been facing with many non-ATI driver download sites.
AlmostBob
2005-12-06 18:41:23 UTC
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scuse me, read my post, 'idiots' did not refer to OPyou, no offense was
intended and I apologise if any was caused, referred to the dozens that get
themselves in trouble not trying to find the best/right one, just installing
something/anything off a web link
Post by AlmostBob
most commercial web sites do not allow downloads where
httpreferrer is not from that site, a simple built in option in .asp and
.php programming,
to stop people claiming copyrighted material as their own
to lower the bandwidth used by pirates
and to reduce idiots being directed to the wrong drivers
get ATI drivers from ATI through ati's web site
follow ATIs search
there is no-one else
--
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Adaware http://www.lavasoft.de
spybot http://security.kolla.de
AVG free antivirus http://www.grisoft.com
Etrust/Vet/CA.online Antivirus scan
http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/virusinfo/scan.aspx
Panda online AntiVirus scan http://www.pandasoftware.com/ActiveScan/
Panda online AntiSpyware Scan
http://www.pandasoftware.com/virus_info/spyware/test/
Catalog of removal tools (1)
http://www.pandasoftware.com/download/utilities/
Catalog of removal tools (2)
http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/newsinfo/collateral.aspx?CID=40387
Trouble Shooting guide to Windows http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/
Blocking Unwanted Parasites with a Hosts file
http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm
links provided as a courtesy, read all instructions on the pages before
use
Grateful thanks to the authors/webmasters
_
Post by Adam
Post by Haggis
try these ...list of four
http://www.3dchipset.com/drivers/ati/official/9x/index.php
Attempting to download from that link leads to
an unauthorized download ATI page. This is the problem
I have been facing with many non-ATI driver download sites.
Jonny
2005-12-04 13:22:25 UTC
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https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=297

Scroll to the bottom of the page, and select download for the display
driver.

The ATI home page took 3 links to get there to the specific page noted
above.
--
Jonny
Post by Adam
ATI Catalyst Radeon Display Driver 4.3 (Windows 98/ME)
http://www.techspot.com/drivers/driver/file/information/2663/ati-catalyst-radeon
Post by Adam
-display-43-98-me/
Is this the best Win98SE driver for ATI Radeon 9800 Pro?
LM
2005-12-05 23:45:26 UTC
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Post by Adam
ATI Catalyst Radeon Display Driver 4.3 (Windows 98/ME)
http://www.techspot.com/drivers/driver/file/information/2663/ati-catalyst-radeon
-display-43-98-me/
Is this the best Win98SE driver for ATI Radeon 9800 Pro?
Hi

There is a link on Ati website to Win98Se drivers, why dont you use
that. It seems to be Win ME driver, but WIN98SE and WinME seem to use
same drivers.


You can try using a program called driver cleaner to totally uninstall
Ati drivers, and then stop all processes except explorer before
installing new drivers. Otherwise I always some error messages.
Unfortunately I dont remember any details any more, since I havnt
updated my older pc's drivers for a long time (a win98SE PC). To me,
installing Win98se ATI drivers was always quite difficult.

LM
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