During windows 98SE install CDROM stops working

[DJW]

My laptop’s new CD_ROM running windows 98 SE is not working right. The
DVD player on my laptop went out so I replaced it with a Teac CD-ROM
player model CD-224E-N83 drive and I set the jumpers for Slave and
installed the adapter from the old DVD on the back and slid it in. I
formatted the hard drive and started to do a clean install of win
98SE. When it got to the part that it wanted to restart using the hard
drive it began to ask for certain files. I gave it the path D:\win98
with no luck. I tried other drive letters. I came to the conclusion
that it was not being seen by the OS. I manually installed a driver
that Teac said was for my CD-ROM. I have inquired at various places
including TEAC and have been told that the CD-ROM drivers with windows
98 SE should be able to get the drive to work and that no additional
driver would have even been needed. The CD works with the 98 boot
floppy with CDROM support and with the windows 98 installer CD with
CDROM support. But not with the Hard drive until I install the driver
from TEAC. That the first screen of text during boot up I quickly see
the CD-ROM not found. (Is there a way to freeze the screens at boot up
to be able to actually read them?) The next screen tells me that the
Teac driver loaded correctly. The Teac installer asked if it could
change the CONFIG.SYS file and the AUTOEXEC.BAT file and I let it
during installation of the driver.
Here is why I say the drive is not working correctly:
When I put a CD I have made in the names are truncated with tilde
marks at the end of the abbreviated names.
In the device manager the secondary IDE controller (dual fifo) has a
yellow exclamation make next to it. Under it’s resources tab it shows
no conflicts. Showed:
input/output range 0170-0177
input/output range 0376-0376
interrupt request 15
input/output range FFAQ8-FFAF
When I try to update the driver it looks on the win 98 (D:\win98)
installer CD and says the best driver is already loaded.
Driver details show:
C:\windows\system\IOSUBSYS\ESDI_506.pdr
It says in device manager that the device is either not present, not
working properly or does not have all the drivers installed (code 10)
In device manager no CD-ROM main heading or sub category is listed at
all.
If I put a check mark in the Secondary IDE controller’s box and
restart and then go back in device manager it has a red x over it. At
that point I can uncheck that disable in this profile box and like
magic the Teac CD-ROM appears under a new CD-ROM heading and the
Secondary IDE Controller is ok collapsed under the Hard disk
controller heading with no red x or yellow explanation mark. And the
CD disc when opened now has the correct full names. The problem is
when I reboot at this point I then back to having shortened names on
the CD disc and the yellow exclamation mark next to the Secondary IDE
controller listing. If I did the above but hit the enable button in
the secondary IDE controller I lose the CD-ROM access after boot up.
When the yellow exclamation mark is on the Secondary IDE Controller
and no CD-ROM is listed in device manager and I go to the Performance
tab in the system control panel the only listed is that the Drive D is
using:
MS_DOS compatibility mode file system.
Well what gives with this problem? Why do people and Teac always say
that windows 98 SE should install the correct drivers (generic) but it
does not allow the CD-ROM to work to complete the installation of
windows 98SE when booted from the hard disk. At the point it starts to
ask for files and for me to navigate to them with my non accessible CD-
ROM drive I keep saying skip and that goes on for about twenty files.
After the install finishes and I manually install the TEAC driver I
then drag all but a few files (I cant find) that it asked for from a
CD that I made on another computer running windows 98SE to the places
on C where I found them on that other computer. I have all but a few
files it asked for. I then go and install drivers with the add
hardware wizard that keeps asking for me to install stuff just after
start up. It is for the combo ESS sound card / modem, infrared port
and video card. I had gotten drivers from Winbook the maker of the
laptop and am able to install all correctly via their instructions.
But since it had a DVD player and I do not have the disk or got from
online the drivers from them for the dead old DVD plus I already at
this point have installed the CD-ROM Teac driver the wizard does not
even try to install any optical drive drivers. This is where I am at
an impasse not knowing what to do to fix the problem.

[Jeff Richards]

You can get around the install problem by copying the CD contents to the
hard drive and installing Windows using that hard drive copy instead of the
CD.

Once you have enabled the W98 drivers for the CD-ROM, you need to remove the
commands in config.sys and autoexec.bat that load the DOS drivers. It is
the DOS drivers that are truncating the file names. Somehow the floppy boot
version of these files has become the default hard disk drive boot version.
Windows can work with DOS drives for the CD, but it creates the sorts of
problem you are seeing.

You can manually edit those files to remove the references to the CD. The
CONFIG.SYS reference is a DEVICE line, and the AUTOEXEC.BAT reference is a
MSCDEX line. Just comment out the relevant lines and reboot.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"DJW" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3345a464-2249-42ca-b6ac-***@w39g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
My laptop’s new CD_ROM running windows 98 SE is not working right. The
DVD player on my laptop went out so I replaced it with a Teac CD-ROM
player model CD-224E-N83 drive and I set the jumpers for Slave and
installed the adapter from the old DVD on the back and slid it in. I
formatted the hard drive and started to do a clean install of win
98SE. When it got to the part that it wanted to restart using the hard
drive it began to ask for certain files. I gave it the path D:\win98
with no luck. I tried other drive letters. I came to the conclusion
that it was not being seen by the OS. I manually installed a driver
that Teac said was for my CD-ROM. I have inquired at various places
including TEAC and have been told that the CD-ROM drivers with windows
98 SE should be able to get the drive to work and that no additional
driver would have even been needed. The CD works with the 98 boot
floppy with CDROM support and with the windows 98 installer CD with
CDROM support. But not with the Hard drive until I install the driver
from TEAC. That the first screen of text during boot up I quickly see
the CD-ROM not found. (Is there a way to freeze the screens at boot up
to be able to actually read them?) The next screen tells me that the
Teac driver loaded correctly. The Teac installer asked if it could
change the CONFIG.SYS file and the AUTOEXEC.BAT file and I let it
during installation of the driver.
Here is why I say the drive is not working correctly:
When I put a CD I have made in the names are truncated with tilde
marks at the end of the abbreviated names.
In the device manager the secondary IDE controller (dual fifo) has a
yellow exclamation make next to it. Under it’s resources tab it shows
no conflicts. Showed:
input/output range 0170-0177
input/output range 0376-0376
interrupt request 15
input/output range FFAQ8-FFAF
When I try to update the driver it looks on the win 98 (D:\win98)
installer CD and says the best driver is already loaded.
Driver details show:
C:\windows\system\IOSUBSYS\ESDI_506.pdr
It says in device manager that the device is either not present, not
working properly or does not have all the drivers installed (code 10)
In device manager no CD-ROM main heading or sub category is listed at
all.
If I put a check mark in the Secondary IDE controller’s box and
restart and then go back in device manager it has a red x over it. At
that point I can uncheck that disable in this profile box and like
magic the Teac CD-ROM appears under a new CD-ROM heading and the
Secondary IDE Controller is ok collapsed under the Hard disk
controller heading with no red x or yellow explanation mark. And the
CD disc when opened now has the correct full names. The problem is
when I reboot at this point I then back to having shortened names on
the CD disc and the yellow exclamation mark next to the Secondary IDE
controller listing. If I did the above but hit the enable button in
the secondary IDE controller I lose the CD-ROM access after boot up.
When the yellow exclamation mark is on the Secondary IDE Controller
and no CD-ROM is listed in device manager and I go to the Performance
tab in the system control panel the only listed is that the Drive D is
using:
MS_DOS compatibility mode file system.
Well what gives with this problem? Why do people and Teac always say
that windows 98 SE should install the correct drivers (generic) but it
does not allow the CD-ROM to work to complete the installation of
windows 98SE when booted from the hard disk. At the point it starts to
ask for files and for me to navigate to them with my non accessible CD-
ROM drive I keep saying skip and that goes on for about twenty files.
After the install finishes and I manually install the TEAC driver I
then drag all but a few files (I cant find) that it asked for from a
CD that I made on another computer running windows 98SE to the places
on C where I found them on that other computer. I have all but a few
files it asked for. I then go and install drivers with the add
hardware wizard that keeps asking for me to install stuff just after
start up. It is for the combo ESS sound card / modem, infrared port
and video card. I had gotten drivers from Winbook the maker of the
laptop and am able to install all correctly via their instructions.
But since it had a DVD player and I do not have the disk or got from
online the drivers from them for the dead old DVD plus I already at
this point have installed the CD-ROM Teac driver the wizard does not
even try to install any optical drive drivers. This is where I am at
an impasse not knowing what to do to fix the problem.

[Just.some.guy]

Hey Jeff,

How exactly do you do that? I'm having the same problem kinda. I have a hard
drive that is working, and win98 SE full install CD. But it just sits there,
it will not give me a setup screen. I read what you said to the other
poster, but for someone who's really just an end user, how do you remove
commands or whatever. Can you provide a step by step instructiom? Thanks.

Post by Jeff Richards
You can get around the install problem by copying the CD contents to the
hard drive and installing Windows using that hard drive copy instead of
the CD.
Once you have enabled the W98 drivers for the CD-ROM, you need to remove
the commands in config.sys and autoexec.bat that load the DOS drivers.
It is the DOS drivers that are truncating the file names. Somehow the
floppy boot version of these files has become the default hard disk drive
boot version. Windows can work with DOS drives for the CD, but it creates
the sorts of problem you are seeing.
You can manually edit those files to remove the references to the CD. The
CONFIG.SYS reference is a DEVICE line, and the AUTOEXEC.BAT reference is a
MSCDEX line. Just comment out the relevant lines and reboot.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
My laptop's new CD_ROM running windows 98 SE is not working right. The
DVD player on my laptop went out so I replaced it with a Teac CD-ROM
player model CD-224E-N83 drive and I set the jumpers for Slave and
installed the adapter from the old DVD on the back and slid it in. I
formatted the hard drive and started to do a clean install of win
98SE. When it got to the part that it wanted to restart using the hard
drive it began to ask for certain files. I gave it the path D:\win98
with no luck. I tried other drive letters. I came to the conclusion
that it was not being seen by the OS. I manually installed a driver
that Teac said was for my CD-ROM. I have inquired at various places
including TEAC and have been told that the CD-ROM drivers with windows
98 SE should be able to get the drive to work and that no additional
driver would have even been needed. The CD works with the 98 boot
floppy with CDROM support and with the windows 98 installer CD with
CDROM support. But not with the Hard drive until I install the driver
from TEAC. That the first screen of text during boot up I quickly see
the CD-ROM not found. (Is there a way to freeze the screens at boot up
to be able to actually read them?) The next screen tells me that the
Teac driver loaded correctly. The Teac installer asked if it could
change the CONFIG.SYS file and the AUTOEXEC.BAT file and I let it
during installation of the driver.
When I put a CD I have made in the names are truncated with tilde
marks at the end of the abbreviated names.
In the device manager the secondary IDE controller (dual fifo) has a
yellow exclamation make next to it. Under it's resources tab it shows
input/output range 0170-0177
input/output range 0376-0376
interrupt request 15
input/output range FFAQ8-FFAF
When I try to update the driver it looks on the win 98 (D:\win98)
installer CD and says the best driver is already loaded.
C:\windows\system\IOSUBSYS\ESDI_506.pdr
It says in device manager that the device is either not present, not
working properly or does not have all the drivers installed (code 10)
In device manager no CD-ROM main heading or sub category is listed at
all.
If I put a check mark in the Secondary IDE controller's box and
restart and then go back in device manager it has a red x over it. At
that point I can uncheck that disable in this profile box and like
magic the Teac CD-ROM appears under a new CD-ROM heading and the
Secondary IDE Controller is ok collapsed under the Hard disk
controller heading with no red x or yellow explanation mark. And the
CD disc when opened now has the correct full names. The problem is
when I reboot at this point I then back to having shortened names on
the CD disc and the yellow exclamation mark next to the Secondary IDE
controller listing. If I did the above but hit the enable button in
the secondary IDE controller I lose the CD-ROM access after boot up.
When the yellow exclamation mark is on the Secondary IDE Controller
and no CD-ROM is listed in device manager and I go to the Performance
tab in the system control panel the only listed is that the Drive D is
MS_DOS compatibility mode file system.
Well what gives with this problem? Why do people and Teac always say
that windows 98 SE should install the correct drivers (generic) but it
does not allow the CD-ROM to work to complete the installation of
windows 98SE when booted from the hard disk. At the point it starts to
ask for files and for me to navigate to them with my non accessible CD-
ROM drive I keep saying skip and that goes on for about twenty files.
After the install finishes and I manually install the TEAC driver I
then drag all but a few files (I cant find) that it asked for from a
CD that I made on another computer running windows 98SE to the places
on C where I found them on that other computer. I have all but a few
files it asked for. I then go and install drivers with the add
hardware wizard that keeps asking for me to install stuff just after
start up. It is for the combo ESS sound card / modem, infrared port
and video card. I had gotten drivers from Winbook the maker of the
laptop and am able to install all correctly via their instructions.
But since it had a DVD player and I do not have the disk or got from
online the drivers from them for the dead old DVD plus I already at
this point have installed the CD-ROM Teac driver the wizard does not
even try to install any optical drive drivers. This is where I am at
an impasse not knowing what to do to fix the problem.

[Jeff Richards]

What exactly have you done and what have you tried?

The changes to CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT are to solve the problem of the
system loading the DOS drivers for the CD when Windows is running. This
means, for instance, that long filenames are not available. This isn't the
same as your problem.

Are you sure your CD is bootable? If not you must start from a floppy, such
as one you can make using the utility available at www.bootdisk.com. If
the CD is bootable, are you sure that you have configured the PC to boot
from the floppy and not from the hard drive (this change is a little more
complex)?
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

Post by Just.some.guy
Hey Jeff,
How exactly do you do that? I'm having the same problem kinda. I have a
hard drive that is working, and win98 SE full install CD. But it just sits
there, it will not give me a setup screen. I read what you said to the
other poster, but for someone who's really just an end user, how do you
remove commands or whatever. Can you provide a step by step instructiom?
Thanks.

[Don Phillipson]

Post by Just.some.guy
How exactly do you do that? I'm having the same problem kinda. I have a hard
drive that is working, and win98 SE full install CD. But it just sits there,
it will not give me a setup screen.

A common cause of this is being logged (in DOS) to the wrong drive.
E.g. if your CD drive is usually E but an AUTOEXEC.BAT file creates
a RAMdrive for tools, your CD drive may be made F:

This is easily cured by logging to each drive available and keying
DIR
to get a disk directory. The Win98 CD has SETUP.EXE in the root
directory, so if you do not see that you are not logged to the CD drive

For those who have forgotten, we log from any DOS prompt to
drive X by just keying its letter X and a colon
after which the prompt will appear
X>
and then we key
DIR
for DIRectory, to see what is in the (root folder) of that drive.

Post by Just.some.guy
I read what you said to the other
poster, but for someone who's really just an end user, how do you remove
commands or whatever. Can you provide a step by step instructiom? Thanks.

To disable any command in a BAT file or CONFIG.SYS we load any
text (ASCII) editor and simply type a semicolon and space
;
at the leftmost end of any line we want to deactivate,
and then Save the file of course.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message
<3345a464-2249-42ca-b6ac-***@w39g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, DJW
<***@hotmail.com> writes:
[]

Post by DJW
from TEAC. That the first screen of text during boot up I quickly see
the CD-ROM not found. (Is there a way to freeze the screens at boot up
to be able to actually read them?) The next screen tells me that the

[]
This is one of the very few times when the Pause key is useful! (On a
laptop keyboard, it may need the function key as it's probably sharing a
key with something else.)

You get _out_ of the "paused" mode by pressing the enter key.

[DJW]

So is what you are telling me is that the DOS CD driver that I put on
from TEAC is running first which then makes the Windows 98SE generic
driver not run and control the CDROM drive at D. As far as the drive
letter moving down one or more I did try the path D, E and F as in E:
\win98 and it still was not able to go find the files it wanted after
the hard drive booted the first time during the installation process
of win 98. If I remember it booted from the CD started the
installation restarted and booted once more from the CD then my
directions from Winbook or maybe windows screen’s directions told me
it needed to restart and choose number one to boot from Hard drive to
complete the installation at that point after the hard drive booted it
began to ask me to find certain files. That is when I tried the
different win98 folder paths with different drive letters. Was I short
and maybe should have gone on to try G, H or I? When this what I think
was the third boot during installation happened was there still a Ram
disk created or existing most likely at drive letter D?

You can manually edit those files to remove the references to the >CD. The CONFIG.SYS reference is a DEVICE line, and the >AUTOEXEC.BAT reference is a MSCDEX line. Just comment out the >relevant lines and reboot.

What am I doing exactly above is it MSCDEX.EXE the file that I do not
want to run or is it a file called ATAPI_DOS.exe? What is the generic
windows 98SE driver that I do want to run?

When you say

And does that mean I should delete the lines in the CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT files or as quoted from Don P.
To disable any command in a BAT file or CONFIG.SYS we load any
text (ASCII) editor and simply type a semicolon and space

;

at the leftmost end of any line we want to deactivate,
and then Save the file of course.

[Jeff Richards]

You need the DOS CD drivers on the boot floppy so that the install procedure
can find the CD drive. During installation the CD is running in DOS mode.
When the install procedure restarts it boots from the hard drive, and from
then on uses the Windows driver for the CD. In your case it seems that the
DOS drivers are getting copied into the AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS that is
being created on the hard drive, so that the second part of the install, and
the running Widows installation, are using DOS drivers.

You need to delete or REM out the references to ATAPI_DOS.exe and MSCDEX.exe
from the version of AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS in the root folder of the
hard drive. Leave these files on the boot floppy as they are. There should
be no reference to CD drivers in the CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT that are
used when Windows is booted . In fact, these files are often empty for
Windows 98 users.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"DJW" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:9a5daca2-cc75-49c9-b98a-***@j38g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
So is what you are telling me is that the DOS CD driver that I put on
from TEAC is running first which then makes the Windows 98SE generic
driver not run and control the CDROM drive at D. As far as the drive
letter moving down one or more I did try the path D, E and F as in E:
\win98 and it still was not able to go find the files it wanted after
the hard drive booted the first time during the installation process
of win 98. If I remember it booted from the CD started the
installation restarted and booted once more from the CD then my
directions from Winbook or maybe windows screen’s directions told me
it needed to restart and choose number one to boot from Hard drive to
complete the installation at that point after the hard drive booted it
began to ask me to find certain files. That is when I tried the
different win98 folder paths with different drive letters. Was I short
and maybe should have gone on to try G, H or I? When this what I think
was the third boot during installation happened was there still a Ram
disk created or existing most likely at drive letter D?

You can manually edit those files to remove the references to the >CD. The
CONFIG.SYS reference is a DEVICE line, and the >AUTOEXEC.BAT reference is a
MSCDEX line. Just comment out the >relevant lines and reboot.

What am I doing exactly above is it MSCDEX.EXE the file that I do not
want to run or is it a file called ATAPI_DOS.exe? What is the generic
windows 98SE driver that I do want to run?

When you say

And does that mean I should delete the lines in the CONFIG.SYS and
AUTOEXEC.BAT files or as quoted from Don P.
To disable any command in a BAT file or CONFIG.SYS we load any
text (ASCII) editor and simply type a semicolon and space

;

at the leftmost end of any line we want to deactivate,
and then Save the file of course.

[DJW]

On Feb 7, 5:18 pm, "Jeff Richards" <***@msn.com.au> wrote:
Below was the entire conteins of my CONFIG.SYS flile:

DEVICE=c:\aecu.sys

FILES=40

LASTDRIVE=Z

DEVICE=C:\TEAC\TEAC_CDI.SYS /D:TEAC-CDI

DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\setver.exe


Below was the entire conteins of my AUTOEXEC.BAT:

rem - By Windows Setup - c:\windows\command\mscdex.exe /D:TEAC-CDI /M:
15

C:\mscdex.exe /D:TEAC-CDI /M:15

What needs to have the colon or out and out deleted. Could you show me
what I should have in the two files?

[Jeff Richards]

If these are the files in the root directory of the hard drive (C:\) then
they should look like this:

CONFIG.SYS file:
DEVICE=c:\aecu.sys
FILES=40
LASTDRIVE=Z
REM DEVICE=C:\TEAC\TEAC_CDI.SYS /D:TEAC-CDI
DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\setver.exe

AUTOEXEC.BAT file:
rem - By Windows Setup - c:\windows\command\mscdex.exe /D:TEAC-CDI /M:15
REM C:\mscdex.exe /D:TEAC-CDI /M:15

You probably also don't need aecu.sys, but you can worry about that later.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

Post by DJW
DEVICE=c:\aecu.sys
FILES=40
LASTDRIVE=Z
DEVICE=C:\TEAC\TEAC_CDI.SYS /D:TEAC-CDI
DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\setver.exe
15
C:\mscdex.exe /D:TEAC-CDI /M:15
What needs to have the colon or out and out deleted. Could you show me
what I should have in the two files?

[DJW]

Post by Jeff Richards
If these are the files in the root directory of the hard drive (C:\) then
DEVICE=c:\aecu.sys
FILES=40
LASTDRIVE=Z
REM DEVICE=C:\TEAC\TEAC_CDI.SYS /D:TEAC-CDI
DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\setver.exe
rem - By Windows Setup - c:\windows\command\mscdex.exe /D:TEAC-CDI /M:15
REM C:\mscdex.exe /D:TEAC-CDI /M:15
You probably also don't need aecu.sys, but you can worry about that later.
--
Jeff Richards

Post by DJW
DEVICE=c:\aecu.sys
FILES=40
LASTDRIVE=Z
DEVICE=C:\TEAC\TEAC_CDI.SYS /D:TEAC-CDI
DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\setver.exe
15
C:\mscdex.exe /D:TEAC-CDI /M:15
What needs to have the colon or out and out deleted. Could you show me
what I should have in the two files?

Well Jeff I put REM space in front pf the two entries in Config.sys &
Autoexec.bat and it still says at start up that the CD-ROM cannot be
found and after it is through booting I can not access the CDROM drive
at all. And I still have the yellow exclamation mark at the Secondary
IDE controller in the device manager and still no CD-ROM listing. I
then tried my work around trick and I then was able to get a CDROM
listing but this time instead of a TEAC it is just listed as Standard
CD-ROM device and have no yellow mark on the Secondary IDE controller.
When I look after I get a CD-Rom to show in the device manager it say
no drivers are required or have been loaded for this device. And when
I open a CD disk the names are full and not truncated.
I then removed the REM(s) and space(s) from the two files and rebooted
back to what I had before.
I guess my work around if I want to see the actual names on a CD Disk
is do my work around trick:
I go to the device manager and choose the yellow marked secondary IDE
controller and put a check mark in the disable in this hardware
profile and then restart. I then go into the secondary IDE controller
under the device manager now with a red X and remove the check mark
from the disable in this hardware profile and all is shown as ok for
the time being. I have the correct names on the CD and the secondary
IDE controller shows without any marks on it. If I would then before
shutting down put a check mark back in the box and again the next time
I boot up remove it all works, as I believe it should. So its tedious
but a work around something I have to do just after boot up and again
just before I shut down.
Basically what you asked me to do in the AUTOEXE.BAT file was to make
the contents mute (empty)? If things had originally worked correctly
after the Win 98SE install would that file has been empty? And what is
the reference that you made to the aecu.sys file? Should I try a REM
space it along with the other two entries as to you previous
instructions the CONFIG.SYS & AUTOEXE.BAT and see what happens? What
is aecu.sys file refer too?
I am paranoid that I will do something that will not allow me to
reboot from the hard drive after I make the change. And the only way
to undo the changes I did is with a boot from the floppy disk and
using DOS commands to reopen the changed files in order to change them
back. Dos commands are pretty Greek to me.

[Jeff Richards]

If the message about the CD-ROM not being found is occurring at boot, then
you are adjusting the incorrect AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS files, or you
are still booting from floppy instead of the hard drive. If it is occurring
during Windows startup then there is some other reason. From your comments I
assume that it is occurring during Windows startup.

Your workaround suggests that there is a fault in the initialisation of the
secondary IDE controller. This might be due to some problem with the CD
drive, but it might be something else.

Is there any other device connected to the secondary IDE controller? It may
be that some other device is preventing Windows from correctly initialising
the controller. Alternatively, is it possible to move the CD drive from the
secondary to the primary controller?

It is correct for the CD drive to be listed as the generic CD without any
driver files. You could install the TEAC drivers if you want, but I don't
know whether this would have an effect on the startup problem. I usually
install the manufacturer's drivers, but typically it doesn't make much
difference. Note that this is the Windows drivers we are talking about, not
the DOS drivers you needed for the boot floppy.

The lines that were commented out of AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS loaded the
DOS device driver and CD manager. Windows will work with DOS drivers for the
CD, but you lose some features, such as long filenames. OTOH, some CD
drives do not work with Windows and the DOS drivers must be used. The
lines are needed in the version of these files that are used for the boot
floppy that starts the installation process, but should not have been copied
to the versions that exist on the hard disk.

The aecu file is associated with your sound card or software modem. It
should not be necessary. You could try removing it and see what happens.
Note that it is quite difficult to make the machine unbootable by editing
config.sys and autoexec.bat. Worst case would be that you would have to
boot from floppy and then edit these files back to what they were using the
DOS edit program. But even that is very unlikely.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

Post by DJW

Post by Jeff Richards
If these are the files in the root directory of the hard drive (C:\) then
DEVICE=c:\aecu.sys
FILES=40
LASTDRIVE=Z
REM DEVICE=C:\TEAC\TEAC_CDI.SYS /D:TEAC-CDI
DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\setver.exe
rem - By Windows Setup - c:\windows\command\mscdex.exe /D:TEAC-CDI /M:15
REM C:\mscdex.exe /D:TEAC-CDI /M:15
You probably also don't need aecu.sys, but you can worry about that later.
--
Jeff Richards

Post by DJW
DEVICE=c:\aecu.sys
FILES=40
LASTDRIVE=Z
DEVICE=C:\TEAC\TEAC_CDI.SYS /D:TEAC-CDI
DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\setver.exe
15
C:\mscdex.exe /D:TEAC-CDI /M:15
What needs to have the colon or out and out deleted. Could you show me
what I should have in the two files?

Well Jeff I put REM space in front pf the two entries in Config.sys &
Autoexec.bat and it still says at start up that the CD-ROM cannot be
found and after it is through booting I can not access the CDROM drive
at all. And I still have the yellow exclamation mark at the Secondary
IDE controller in the device manager and still no CD-ROM listing. I
then tried my work around trick and I then was able to get a CDROM
listing but this time instead of a TEAC it is just listed as Standard
CD-ROM device and have no yellow mark on the Secondary IDE controller.
When I look after I get a CD-Rom to show in the device manager it say
no drivers are required or have been loaded for this device. And when
I open a CD disk the names are full and not truncated.
I then removed the REM(s) and space(s) from the two files and rebooted
back to what I had before.
I guess my work around if I want to see the actual names on a CD Disk
I go to the device manager and choose the yellow marked secondary IDE
controller and put a check mark in the disable in this hardware
profile and then restart. I then go into the secondary IDE controller
under the device manager now with a red X and remove the check mark
from the disable in this hardware profile and all is shown as ok for
the time being. I have the correct names on the CD and the secondary
IDE controller shows without any marks on it. If I would then before
shutting down put a check mark back in the box and again the next time
I boot up remove it all works, as I believe it should. So its tedious
but a work around something I have to do just after boot up and again
just before I shut down.
Basically what you asked me to do in the AUTOEXE.BAT file was to make
the contents mute (empty)? If things had originally worked correctly
after the Win 98SE install would that file has been empty? And what is
the reference that you made to the aecu.sys file? Should I try a REM
space it along with the other two entries as to you previous
instructions the CONFIG.SYS & AUTOEXE.BAT and see what happens? What
is aecu.sys file refer too?
I am paranoid that I will do something that will not allow me to
reboot from the hard drive after I make the change. And the only way
to undo the changes I did is with a boot from the floppy disk and
using DOS commands to reopen the changed files in order to change them
back. Dos commands are pretty Greek to me.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message

Post by DJW
So is what you are telling me is that the DOS CD driver that I put on
from TEAC is running first which then makes the Windows 98SE generic
driver not run and control the CDROM drive at D. As far as the drive

That is a best guess, yes.

Post by DJW
\win98 and it still was not able to go find the files it wanted after
the hard drive booted the first time during the installation process
of win 98. If I remember it booted from the CD started the

Unless your system has a really tiny hard disc, I'd say it will be far
easier if you copy the contents of the WIN98 directory from the CD (not
its subdirectories) to a directory on the HD, and then run install from
there (SETUP); that should at least allow the installation to complete.
You could then edit CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT if necessary to comment
out (put REM or a ; before them) the relevant lines, in Notepad.

Post by DJW
installation restarted and booted once more from the CD then my
directions from Winbook or maybe windows screen’s directions told me
it needed to restart and choose number one to boot from Hard drive to
complete the installation at that point after the hard drive booted it
began to ask me to find certain files. That is when I tried the

[That's quite a long clause (-:!]

Post by DJW
different win98 folder paths with different drive letters. Was I short
and maybe should have gone on to try G, H or I? When this what I think
was the third boot during installation happened was there still a Ram
disk created or existing most likely at drive letter D?

From what I remember, it only creates the RAM disc when booting from the
floppy, though I might be wrong about that.

Post by DJW

You can manually edit those files to remove the references to the >CD.
The CONFIG.SYS reference is a DEVICE line, and the >AUTOEXEC.BAT
reference is a MSCDEX line. Just comment out the >relevant lines and
reboot.

What am I doing exactly above is it MSCDEX.EXE the file that I do not
want to run or is it a file called ATAPI_DOS.exe? What is the generic
windows 98SE driver that I do want to run?

The internal CD-ROM drive support isn't a file as such: on this machine,
when I look in Device Manager at the driver settings for my CD-ROM
drive, it says under the Driver tab "No driver files are required or
have been loaded for this device. To update the driver files for this
device, click Update Driver."

Post by DJW
When you say

And does that mean I should delete the lines in the CONFIG.SYS and
AUTOEXEC.BAT files or as quoted from Don P.
To disable any command in a BAT file or CONFIG.SYS we load any
text (ASCII) editor and simply type a semicolon and space

;

at the leftmost end of any line we want to deactivate,
and then Save the file of course.

If you copy the install files (the \WIN98 directory contents) from the
CD to the HD, and install from there (I'd say do a reboot without the
floppy in - you may need to do a "sys C:" in the booted-from-floppy
condition to make the HD bootable if it isn't), it is likely that the
installation process will do the commenting-out for you.

[Ben Myers]

"DJW" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3345a464-2249-42ca-b6ac-***@w39g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
My laptop’s new CD_ROM running windows 98 SE is not working right. The
DVD player on my laptop went out so I replaced it with a Teac CD-ROM
player model CD-224E-N83 drive and I set the jumpers for Slave and
installed the adapter from the old DVD on the back and slid it in. I
formatted the hard drive and started to do a clean install of win
98SE. When it got to the part that it wanted to restart using the hard
drive it began to ask for certain files. I gave it the path D:\win98
with no luck. I tried other drive letters. I came to the conclusion
that it was not being seen by the OS. I manually installed a driver
that Teac said was for my CD-ROM. I have inquired at various places
including TEAC and have been told that the CD-ROM drivers with windows
98 SE should be able to get the drive to work and that no additional
driver would have even been needed. The CD works with the 98 boot
floppy with CDROM support and with the windows 98 installer CD with
CDROM support. But not with the Hard drive until I install the driver
from TEAC. That the first screen of text during boot up I quickly see
the CD-ROM not found. (Is there a way to freeze the screens at boot up
to be able to actually read them?) The next screen tells me that the
Teac driver loaded correctly. The Teac installer asked if it could
change the CONFIG.SYS file and the AUTOEXEC.BAT file and I let it
during installation of the driver.
Here is why I say the drive is not working correctly:
When I put a CD I have made in the names are truncated with tilde
marks at the end of the abbreviated names.
In the device manager the secondary IDE controller (dual fifo) has a
yellow exclamation make next to it. Under it’s resources tab it shows
no conflicts. Showed:
input/output range 0170-0177
input/output range 0376-0376
interrupt request 15
input/output range FFAQ8-FFAF
When I try to update the driver it looks on the win 98 (D:\win98)
installer CD and says the best driver is already loaded.
Driver details show:
C:\windows\system\IOSUBSYS\ESDI_506.pdr
It says in device manager that the device is either not present, not
working properly or does not have all the drivers installed (code 10)
In device manager no CD-ROM main heading or sub category is listed at
all.
If I put a check mark in the Secondary IDE controller’s box and
restart and then go back in device manager it has a red x over it. At
that point I can uncheck that disable in this profile box and like
magic the Teac CD-ROM appears under a new CD-ROM heading and the
Secondary IDE Controller is ok collapsed under the Hard disk
controller heading with no red x or yellow explanation mark. And the
CD disc when opened now has the correct full names. The problem is
when I reboot at this point I then back to having shortened names on
the CD disc and the yellow exclamation mark next to the Secondary IDE
controller listing. If I did the above but hit the enable button in
the secondary IDE controller I lose the CD-ROM access after boot up.
When the yellow exclamation mark is on the Secondary IDE Controller
and no CD-ROM is listed in device manager and I go to the Performance
tab in the system control panel the only listed is that the Drive D is
using:
MS_DOS compatibility mode file system.
Well what gives with this problem? Why do people and Teac always say
that windows 98 SE should install the correct drivers (generic) but it
does not allow the CD-ROM to work to complete the installation of
windows 98SE when booted from the hard disk. At the point it starts to
ask for files and for me to navigate to them with my non accessible CD-
ROM drive I keep saying skip and that goes on for about twenty files.
After the install finishes and I manually install the TEAC driver I
then drag all but a few files (I cant find) that it asked for from a
CD that I made on another computer running windows 98SE to the places
on C where I found them on that other computer. I have all but a few
files it asked for. I then go and install drivers with the add
hardware wizard that keeps asking for me to install stuff just after
start up. It is for the combo ESS sound card / modem, infrared port
and video card. I had gotten drivers from Winbook the maker of the
laptop and am able to install all correctly via their instructions.
But since it had a DVD player and I do not have the disk or got from
online the drivers from them for the dead old DVD plus I already at
this point have installed the CD-ROM Teac driver the wizard does not
even try to install any optical drive drivers. This is where I am at
an impasse not knowing what to do to fix the problem.

Go into the BIOS setup and try to disable the secondary IDE controller.
Be sure to save any changes. If this doesn't help or can't be done, try to
set the BIOS to "PNP OS".

Ben

[pjhjones]

I had the same issue a few weeks ago trying to set up a new hard drive with
WIN98SE. Our IT had me create a new file on the C drive called WIN98. Then I
copied the install disk to that file. After that every time that it would ask
me for files instead of directing it to my D drive I told it to go to
C:\WIN98. This worked just fine. I am still not sure why it started acting
like it could not read my CDROM.

Post by DJW
My laptop’s new CD_ROM running windows 98 SE is not working right. The
DVD player on my laptop went out so I replaced it with a Teac CD-ROM
player model CD-224E-N83 drive and I set the jumpers for Slave and
installed the adapter from the old DVD on the back and slid it in. I
formatted the hard drive and started to do a clean install of win
98SE. When it got to the part that it wanted to restart using the hard
drive it began to ask for certain files. I gave it the path D:\win98
with no luck. I tried other drive letters. I came to the conclusion
that it was not being seen by the OS. I manually installed a driver
that Teac said was for my CD-ROM. I have inquired at various places
including TEAC and have been told that the CD-ROM drivers with windows
98 SE should be able to get the drive to work and that no additional
driver would have even been needed. The CD works with the 98 boot
floppy with CDROM support and with the windows 98 installer CD with
CDROM support. But not with the Hard drive until I install the driver
from TEAC. That the first screen of text during boot up I quickly see
the CD-ROM not found. (Is there a way to freeze the screens at boot up
to be able to actually read them?) The next screen tells me that the
Teac driver loaded correctly. The Teac installer asked if it could
change the CONFIG.SYS file and the AUTOEXEC.BAT file and I let it
during installation of the driver.
When I put a CD I have made in the names are truncated with tilde
marks at the end of the abbreviated names.
In the device manager the secondary IDE controller (dual fifo) has a
yellow exclamation make next to it. Under it’s resources tab it shows
input/output range 0170-0177
input/output range 0376-0376
interrupt request 15
input/output range FFAQ8-FFAF
When I try to update the driver it looks on the win 98 (D:\win98)
installer CD and says the best driver is already loaded.
C:\windows\system\IOSUBSYS\ESDI_506.pdr
It says in device manager that the device is either not present, not
working properly or does not have all the drivers installed (code 10)
In device manager no CD-ROM main heading or sub category is listed at
all.
If I put a check mark in the Secondary IDE controller’s box and
restart and then go back in device manager it has a red x over it. At
that point I can uncheck that disable in this profile box and like
magic the Teac CD-ROM appears under a new CD-ROM heading and the
Secondary IDE Controller is ok collapsed under the Hard disk
controller heading with no red x or yellow explanation mark. And the
CD disc when opened now has the correct full names. The problem is
when I reboot at this point I then back to having shortened names on
the CD disc and the yellow exclamation mark next to the Secondary IDE
controller listing. If I did the above but hit the enable button in
the secondary IDE controller I lose the CD-ROM access after boot up.
When the yellow exclamation mark is on the Secondary IDE Controller
and no CD-ROM is listed in device manager and I go to the Performance
tab in the system control panel the only listed is that the Drive D is
MS_DOS compatibility mode file system.
Well what gives with this problem? Why do people and Teac always say
that windows 98 SE should install the correct drivers (generic) but it
does not allow the CD-ROM to work to complete the installation of
windows 98SE when booted from the hard disk. At the point it starts to
ask for files and for me to navigate to them with my non accessible CD-
ROM drive I keep saying skip and that goes on for about twenty files.
After the install finishes and I manually install the TEAC driver I
then drag all but a few files (I cant find) that it asked for from a
CD that I made on another computer running windows 98SE to the places
on C where I found them on that other computer. I have all but a few
files it asked for. I then go and install drivers with the add
hardware wizard that keeps asking for me to install stuff just after
start up. It is for the combo ESS sound card / modem, infrared port
and video card. I had gotten drivers from Winbook the maker of the
laptop and am able to install all correctly via their instructions.
But since it had a DVD player and I do not have the disk or got from
online the drivers from them for the dead old DVD plus I already at
this point have installed the CD-ROM Teac driver the wizard does not
even try to install any optical drive drivers. This is where I am at
an impasse not knowing what to do to fix the problem.
Go into the BIOS setup and try to disable the secondary IDE controller.
Be sure to save any changes. If this doesn't help or can't be done, try to
set the BIOS to "PNP OS".
Ben

[Buffalo]

Post by pjhjones
I had the same issue a few weeks ago trying to set up a new hard
drive with WIN98SE. Our IT had me create a new file on the C drive
called WIN98. Then I copied the install disk to that file. After that
every time that it would ask me for files instead of directing it to
my D drive I told it to go to C:\WIN98. This worked just fine. I am
still not sure why it started acting like it could not read my CDROM.

I do the same thing as you don't have to keep looking for that damn cd.
It also installs much quicker that way.
Buffalo

[98 Guy]

Post by pjhjones
I had the same issue a few weeks ago trying to set up a new hard
drive with WIN98SE. Our IT had me create (...)

You have IT people that are willing to give you the time of day over a
win-98 issue?

I'm impressed.

[pjhjones]

Only one. She is very nice and quietly helps me with these issues. I try not
to bother her too much that is why I ask questions in here as much as
possible and call on her as a last resort.

Post by 98 Guy

Post by pjhjones
I had the same issue a few weeks ago trying to set up a new hard
drive with WIN98SE. Our IT had me create (...)

You have IT people that are willing to give you the time of day over a
win-98 issue?
I'm impressed.

[Just.some.guy]

Can you tell me *exactly* what the steps are to accomplish that? Tell me
like you'd tell a third grader, I won't get insulted, but I'm having the
EXACT same problem trying to install WIN98 SE. I'm not a computer whiz, so
if you can do a step by step I'd appreciate it. For instance...how do create
a new file to even copy to the c drive, and how do you *copy* a file to the
c drive? Thanks.

Post by pjhjones
I had the same issue a few weeks ago trying to set up a new hard drive with
WIN98SE. Our IT had me create a new file on the C drive called WIN98. Then I
copied the install disk to that file. After that every time that it would ask
me for files instead of directing it to my D drive I told it to go to
C:\WIN98. This worked just fine. I am still not sure why it started acting
like it could not read my CDROM.

Post by Jeff Richards
My laptop's new CD_ROM running windows 98 SE is not working right. The
DVD player on my laptop went out so I replaced it with a Teac CD-ROM
player model CD-224E-N83 drive and I set the jumpers for Slave and
installed the adapter from the old DVD on the back and slid it in. I
formatted the hard drive and started to do a clean install of win
98SE. When it got to the part that it wanted to restart using the hard
drive it began to ask for certain files. I gave it the path D:\win98
with no luck. I tried other drive letters. I came to the conclusion
that it was not being seen by the OS. I manually installed a driver
that Teac said was for my CD-ROM. I have inquired at various places
including TEAC and have been told that the CD-ROM drivers with windows
98 SE should be able to get the drive to work and that no additional
driver would have even been needed. The CD works with the 98 boot
floppy with CDROM support and with the windows 98 installer CD with
CDROM support. But not with the Hard drive until I install the driver
from TEAC. That the first screen of text during boot up I quickly see
the CD-ROM not found. (Is there a way to freeze the screens at boot up
to be able to actually read them?) The next screen tells me that the
Teac driver loaded correctly. The Teac installer asked if it could
change the CONFIG.SYS file and the AUTOEXEC.BAT file and I let it
during installation of the driver.
When I put a CD I have made in the names are truncated with tilde
marks at the end of the abbreviated names.
In the device manager the secondary IDE controller (dual fifo) has a
yellow exclamation make next to it. Under it's resources tab it shows
input/output range 0170-0177
input/output range 0376-0376
interrupt request 15
input/output range FFAQ8-FFAF
When I try to update the driver it looks on the win 98 (D:\win98)
installer CD and says the best driver is already loaded.
C:\windows\system\IOSUBSYS\ESDI_506.pdr
It says in device manager that the device is either not present, not
working properly or does not have all the drivers installed (code 10)
In device manager no CD-ROM main heading or sub category is listed at
all.
If I put a check mark in the Secondary IDE controller's box and
restart and then go back in device manager it has a red x over it. At
that point I can uncheck that disable in this profile box and like
magic the Teac CD-ROM appears under a new CD-ROM heading and the
Secondary IDE Controller is ok collapsed under the Hard disk
controller heading with no red x or yellow explanation mark. And the
CD disc when opened now has the correct full names. The problem is
when I reboot at this point I then back to having shortened names on
the CD disc and the yellow exclamation mark next to the Secondary IDE
controller listing. If I did the above but hit the enable button in
the secondary IDE controller I lose the CD-ROM access after boot up.
When the yellow exclamation mark is on the Secondary IDE Controller
and no CD-ROM is listed in device manager and I go to the Performance
tab in the system control panel the only listed is that the Drive D is
MS_DOS compatibility mode file system.
Well what gives with this problem? Why do people and Teac always say
that windows 98 SE should install the correct drivers (generic) but it
does not allow the CD-ROM to work to complete the installation of
windows 98SE when booted from the hard disk. At the point it starts to
ask for files and for me to navigate to them with my non accessible CD-
ROM drive I keep saying skip and that goes on for about twenty files.
After the install finishes and I manually install the TEAC driver I
then drag all but a few files (I cant find) that it asked for from a
CD that I made on another computer running windows 98SE to the places
on C where I found them on that other computer. I have all but a few
files it asked for. I then go and install drivers with the add
hardware wizard that keeps asking for me to install stuff just after
start up. It is for the combo ESS sound card / modem, infrared port
and video card. I had gotten drivers from Winbook the maker of the
laptop and am able to install all correctly via their instructions.
But since it had a DVD player and I do not have the disk or got from
online the drivers from them for the dead old DVD plus I already at
this point have installed the CD-ROM Teac driver the wizard does not
even try to install any optical drive drivers. This is where I am at
an impasse not knowing what to do to fix the problem.
Go into the BIOS setup and try to disable the secondary IDE controller.
Be sure to save any changes. If this doesn't help or can't be done, try to
set the BIOS to "PNP OS".
Ben

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

Post by Just.some.guy
Can you tell me *exactly* what the steps are to accomplish that? Tell me
like you'd tell a third grader, I won't get insulted, but I'm having the
EXACT same problem trying to install WIN98 SE. I'm not a computer whiz, so
if you can do a step by step I'd appreciate it. For instance...how do create
a new file to even copy to the c drive, and how do you *copy* a file to the
c drive? Thanks.

Hmm. I think what is meant is a directory, also called a folder, rather
than a file.

Boot up, using a Windows 98 boot floppy. (That is, reset the computer
with the floppy in the drive. If the system doesn't boot from the floppy
but continues to boot from the hard disc, or the CD, we'll have to
change the BIOS. Hopefully, it _will_ boot from the floppy.) At some
point it will ask you if it should start with or without CD drive
support; select with. (It will usually choose that option anyway after
about 30 seconds if you don't choose.)

After much clunking, the system will have booted, and will give you an

A:\>

prompt. Type

C:

(press the enter key after anything I tell you to type). The prompt
should now show

C:\>

. Now type

md WIN98

. This will make a directory called WIN98, though it will put you back
to the C:\> prompt. Now type

cd WIN98

. This will change you to that directory, and give you a prompt

C:\WIN98>

. Now type

dir D:

, and watch the light on the CD drive (and listen, feel the drive,
etcetera). [Oh, I should have said - have the '98 CD in the drive.] If
it accesses the CD drive, fine; usually a W98 boot floppy will have made
part of your memory into a pseudo-drive, which will be drive D:, so if
the above dir (directory) command did _not_ access the CD drive, repeat
for drive E:

dir E:

and make sure it accesses the CD drive this time. (In the event that you
have two or more hard drives in the system, or more than one partition,
it may be an even higher letter: keep going until you find it accessing
the CD drive. If you get a message something like "invalid drive" before
it accesses the CD drive, tell us.)

Assuming you find the drive letter corresponding to the CD drive, now
type

copy E:\WIN98\*.* . /v

, replacing the E with the appropriate letter if it isn't E. This will
copy all the files you need for a W98 install to the HD. (The "." means
the current directory, which is C:\WIN98, since you'd made that and then
switched to it. "/v" means verify as it copies; there's some dispute as
to whether this actually does a verify, but I think it's worth it.) Note
that this will take some time - have a coffee. Watch the screen as you
type - if your keyboard is not marked in the standard US layout, you may
well not be entering the characters marked on them, especially "\" and
"/". What appears on screen as you type is what matters - some
experimentation might be needed to find where the relevant keys are!

When it's finished, take out and put away the CD and the floppy, then
type

setup

; Windows will now start to install from the CD copy on the HD, not
needing the CD ever again.

I hope the above (a) is simple enough for you (b) works!

Post by Just.some.guy

Post by pjhjones
I had the same issue a few weeks ago trying to set up a new hard drive with
WIN98SE. Our IT had me create a new file on the C drive called WIN98. Then I
copied the install disk to that file. After that every time that it would ask
me for files instead of directing it to my D drive I told it to go to
C:\WIN98. This worked just fine. I am still not sure why it started acting
like it could not read my CDROM.

Post by Jeff Richards
My laptop's new CD_ROM running windows 98 SE is not working right. The
DVD player on my laptop went out so I replaced it with a Teac CD-ROM
player model CD-224E-N83 drive and I set the jumpers for Slave and
installed the adapter from the old DVD on the back and slid it in. I
formatted the hard drive and started to do a clean install of win
98SE. When it got to the part that it wanted to restart using the hard
drive it began to ask for certain files. I gave it the path D:\win98
with no luck. I tried other drive letters. I came to the conclusion
that it was not being seen by the OS. I manually installed a driver
that Teac said was for my CD-ROM. I have inquired at various places
including TEAC and have been told that the CD-ROM drivers with windows
98 SE should be able to get the drive to work and that no additional
driver would have even been needed. The CD works with the 98 boot
floppy with CDROM support and with the windows 98 installer CD with
CDROM support. But not with the Hard drive until I install the driver
from TEAC. That the first screen of text during boot up I quickly see
the CD-ROM not found. (Is there a way to freeze the screens at boot up
to be able to actually read them?) The next screen tells me that the
Teac driver loaded correctly. The Teac installer asked if it could
change the CONFIG.SYS file and the AUTOEXEC.BAT file and I let it
during installation of the driver.
When I put a CD I have made in the names are truncated with tilde
marks at the end of the abbreviated names.
In the device manager the secondary IDE controller (dual fifo) has a
yellow exclamation make next to it. Under it's resources tab it shows
input/output range 0170-0177
input/output range 0376-0376
interrupt request 15
input/output range FFAQ8-FFAF
When I try to update the driver it looks on the win 98 (D:\win98)
installer CD and says the best driver is already loaded.
C:\windows\system\IOSUBSYS\ESDI_506.pdr
It says in device manager that the device is either not present, not
working properly or does not have all the drivers installed (code 10)
In device manager no CD-ROM main heading or sub category is listed at
all.
If I put a check mark in the Secondary IDE controller's box and
restart and then go back in device manager it has a red x over it. At
that point I can uncheck that disable in this profile box and like
magic the Teac CD-ROM appears under a new CD-ROM heading and the
Secondary IDE Controller is ok collapsed under the Hard disk
controller heading with no red x or yellow explanation mark. And the
CD disc when opened now has the correct full names. The problem is
when I reboot at this point I then back to having shortened names on
the CD disc and the yellow exclamation mark next to the Secondary IDE
controller listing. If I did the above but hit the enable button in
the secondary IDE controller I lose the CD-ROM access after boot up.
When the yellow exclamation mark is on the Secondary IDE Controller
and no CD-ROM is listed in device manager and I go to the Performance
tab in the system control panel the only listed is that the Drive D is
MS_DOS compatibility mode file system.
Well what gives with this problem? Why do people and Teac always say
that windows 98 SE should install the correct drivers (generic) but it
does not allow the CD-ROM to work to complete the installation of
windows 98SE when booted from the hard disk. At the point it starts to
ask for files and for me to navigate to them with my non accessible CD-
ROM drive I keep saying skip and that goes on for about twenty files.
After the install finishes and I manually install the TEAC driver I
then drag all but a few files (I cant find) that it asked for from a
CD that I made on another computer running windows 98SE to the places
on C where I found them on that other computer. I have all but a few
files it asked for. I then go and install drivers with the add
hardware wizard that keeps asking for me to install stuff just after
start up. It is for the combo ESS sound card / modem, infrared port
and video card. I had gotten drivers from Winbook the maker of the
laptop and am able to install all correctly via their instructions.
But since it had a DVD player and I do not have the disk or got from
online the drivers from them for the dead old DVD plus I already at
this point have installed the CD-ROM Teac driver the wizard does not
even try to install any optical drive drivers. This is where I am at
an impasse not knowing what to do to fix the problem.
Go into the BIOS setup and try to disable the secondary IDE controller.
Be sure to save any changes. If this doesn't help or can't be done, try to
set the BIOS to "PNP OS".
Ben

[Just.some.guy]

I have not tried it yet...will do so in a few days and post back with the
results. But regardless thank you so much for taking time out to help...I
really appreciate it:-)

Post by J. P. Gilliver (John)

Post by Just.some.guy
Can you tell me *exactly* what the steps are to accomplish that? Tell me
like you'd tell a third grader, I won't get insulted, but I'm having the
EXACT same problem trying to install WIN98 SE. I'm not a computer whiz, so
if you can do a step by step I'd appreciate it. For instance...how do create
a new file to even copy to the c drive, and how do you *copy* a file to the
c drive? Thanks.

Hmm. I think what is meant is a directory, also called a folder, rather
than a file.
Boot up, using a Windows 98 boot floppy. (That is, reset the computer with
the floppy in the drive. If the system doesn't boot from the floppy but
continues to boot from the hard disc, or the CD, we'll have to change the
BIOS. Hopefully, it _will_ boot from the floppy.) At some point it will
ask you if it should start with or without CD drive support; select with.
(It will usually choose that option anyway after about 30 seconds if you
don't choose.)
After much clunking, the system will have booted, and will give you an
A:\>
prompt. Type
(press the enter key after anything I tell you to type). The prompt should
now show
C:\>
. Now type
md WIN98
. This will make a directory called WIN98, though it will put you back to
the C:\> prompt. Now type
cd WIN98
. This will change you to that directory, and give you a prompt
C:\WIN98>
. Now type
, and watch the light on the CD drive (and listen, feel the drive,
etcetera). [Oh, I should have said - have the '98 CD in the drive.] If it
accesses the CD drive, fine; usually a W98 boot floppy will have made part
of your memory into a pseudo-drive, which will be drive D:, so if the
above dir (directory) command did _not_ access the CD drive, repeat for
and make sure it accesses the CD drive this time. (In the event that you
have two or more hard drives in the system, or more than one partition, it
may be an even higher letter: keep going until you find it accessing the
CD drive. If you get a message something like "invalid drive" before it
accesses the CD drive, tell us.)
Assuming you find the drive letter corresponding to the CD drive, now type
copy E:\WIN98\*.* . /v
, replacing the E with the appropriate letter if it isn't E. This will
copy all the files you need for a W98 install to the HD. (The "." means
the current directory, which is C:\WIN98, since you'd made that and then
switched to it. "/v" means verify as it copies; there's some dispute as to
whether this actually does a verify, but I think it's worth it.) Note that
this will take some time - have a coffee. Watch the screen as you type -
if your keyboard is not marked in the standard US layout, you may well not
be entering the characters marked on them, especially "\" and "/". What
appears on screen as you type is what matters - some experimentation might
be needed to find where the relevant keys are!
When it's finished, take out and put away the CD and the floppy, then type
setup
; Windows will now start to install from the CD copy on the HD, not
needing the CD ever again.
I hope the above (a) is simple enough for you (b) works!

Post by Just.some.guy

Post by pjhjones
I had the same issue a few weeks ago trying to set up a new hard drive with
WIN98SE. Our IT had me create a new file on the C drive called WIN98.
Then
I
copied the install disk to that file. After that every time that it
would
ask
me for files instead of directing it to my D drive I told it to go to
C:\WIN98. This worked just fine. I am still not sure why it started acting
like it could not read my CDROM.

Post by Jeff Richards
My laptop's new CD_ROM running windows 98 SE is not working right. The
DVD player on my laptop went out so I replaced it with a Teac CD-ROM
player model CD-224E-N83 drive and I set the jumpers for Slave and
installed the adapter from the old DVD on the back and slid it in. I
formatted the hard drive and started to do a clean install of win
98SE. When it got to the part that it wanted to restart using the hard
drive it began to ask for certain files. I gave it the path D:\win98
with no luck. I tried other drive letters. I came to the conclusion
that it was not being seen by the OS. I manually installed a driver
that Teac said was for my CD-ROM. I have inquired at various places
including TEAC and have been told that the CD-ROM drivers with windows
98 SE should be able to get the drive to work and that no additional
driver would have even been needed. The CD works with the 98 boot
floppy with CDROM support and with the windows 98 installer CD with
CDROM support. But not with the Hard drive until I install the driver
from TEAC. That the first screen of text during boot up I quickly see
the CD-ROM not found. (Is there a way to freeze the screens at boot up
to be able to actually read them?) The next screen tells me that the
Teac driver loaded correctly. The Teac installer asked if it could
change the CONFIG.SYS file and the AUTOEXEC.BAT file and I let it
during installation of the driver.
When I put a CD I have made in the names are truncated with tilde
marks at the end of the abbreviated names.
In the device manager the secondary IDE controller (dual fifo) has a
yellow exclamation make next to it. Under it's resources tab it shows
input/output range 0170-0177
input/output range 0376-0376
interrupt request 15
input/output range FFAQ8-FFAF
When I try to update the driver it looks on the win 98 (D:\win98)
installer CD and says the best driver is already loaded.
C:\windows\system\IOSUBSYS\ESDI_506.pdr
It says in device manager that the device is either not present, not
working properly or does not have all the drivers installed (code 10)
In device manager no CD-ROM main heading or sub category is listed at
all.
If I put a check mark in the Secondary IDE controller's box and
restart and then go back in device manager it has a red x over it. At
that point I can uncheck that disable in this profile box and like
magic the Teac CD-ROM appears under a new CD-ROM heading and the
Secondary IDE Controller is ok collapsed under the Hard disk
controller heading with no red x or yellow explanation mark. And the
CD disc when opened now has the correct full names. The problem is
when I reboot at this point I then back to having shortened names on
the CD disc and the yellow exclamation mark next to the Secondary IDE
controller listing. If I did the above but hit the enable button in
the secondary IDE controller I lose the CD-ROM access after boot up.
When the yellow exclamation mark is on the Secondary IDE Controller
and no CD-ROM is listed in device manager and I go to the Performance
tab in the system control panel the only listed is that the Drive D is
MS_DOS compatibility mode file system.
Well what gives with this problem? Why do people and Teac always say
that windows 98 SE should install the correct drivers (generic) but it
does not allow the CD-ROM to work to complete the installation of
windows 98SE when booted from the hard disk. At the point it starts to
ask for files and for me to navigate to them with my non accessible CD-
ROM drive I keep saying skip and that goes on for about twenty files.
After the install finishes and I manually install the TEAC driver I
then drag all but a few files (I cant find) that it asked for from a
CD that I made on another computer running windows 98SE to the places
on C where I found them on that other computer. I have all but a few
files it asked for. I then go and install drivers with the add
hardware wizard that keeps asking for me to install stuff just after
start up. It is for the combo ESS sound card / modem, infrared port
and video card. I had gotten drivers from Winbook the maker of the
laptop and am able to install all correctly via their instructions.
But since it had a DVD player and I do not have the disk or got from
online the drivers from them for the dead old DVD plus I already at
this point have installed the CD-ROM Teac driver the wizard does not
even try to install any optical drive drivers. This is where I am at
an impasse not knowing what to do to fix the problem.
Go into the BIOS setup and try to disable the secondary IDE controller.
Be sure to save any changes. If this doesn't help or can't be done,
try
to
set the BIOS to "PNP OS".
Ben

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