Has anyone been able to get a PCI-Express video card working under win-98se?

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98 Guy

2007-02-13 15:15:08 UTC

Has anyone been able to get a PCI-Express video card working under
windows 98se?

This is what I've just been working on:

- Asrock 775Dual-VSTA motherboard
- http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=775Dual-VSTA
- Via PT880 Pro/Ultra northbridge
- Via VT8237A southbridge

I've gotten win-98 running pretty much 100% on that board, booting off
a 160 gb SATA drive, Radeon 7000 video card (PCI). I removed the
Radeon and replaced it with a PCI-Express NV-6200LE video card.

When I try to install nvidia driver (win-98 version downloaded from
Nvidia) I get this:

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Setup was unable to locate a detected device's PCI ID in NVAGP.INF The
installation will be terminated.
-------------

So I located a modded Nvidia driver (81.98) as described here:

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?p=2111805

(downloaded from here)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=Y6CQH0O2

But I'm not having much success getting the driver to work. This is
some off-brand PCI-Express video card (XFX on the box) GeForce 6200LE.

Here is more detail on what this is:

Standard PCI Graphics Adapter (VGA) [Unknown]
Chip Vender: NVidia Corp
Device: Standard PCI Graphics Adapter (VGA)
OEM: Vender Pine Technology Ltd
PnpID: VEN_10DE&DEV_0163&SUBSYS_215E1682&REV_A1
OEM Device from Pine Technology Ltd

The install seems to work properly, but sometimes when I boot I get no
screen. Other times it will boot into standard VGA, and when I try to
change resolution, I can only change to 1024 x 768 (max) or when I try
to change colors I get (max) 16k colors but even then it says I must
restart and it never restarts properly.

Can someone here explain the differences between the different
NV-6200xx cards, and why the "LE" is not listed in the support list in
Nvidia's driver?

I also have an AGP version of an NV-6200LE that I will also try soon
on the same motherboard.

What should I look for to see if the PCI-E bus is being supported
properly by the OS?

Brian A.

2007-02-13 17:20:11 UTC

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Is this the one you downloaded/installed from NVIDIA?
http://www.nvidia.com/object/win9x_81.98.html

If it is try the 71.84 or older version drivers from the link below, I read somewhere
that any versions above ?? 7.0--7.1 ?? didn't work.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/win9x_archive.html

I also read somewhere that the firmware could be flashed with the 6500 ver. Don't
hold me to this, if you do try it and it toasts the card, you toasted it on your own
decision to do it. Look around or do a Google search on it to be 100% sure before
even thinking to attempt it.
--
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Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

Post by 98 Guy
Has anyone been able to get a PCI-Express video card working under
windows 98se?
- Asrock 775Dual-VSTA motherboard
- http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=775Dual-VSTA
- Via PT880 Pro/Ultra northbridge
- Via VT8237A southbridge
I've gotten win-98 running pretty much 100% on that board, booting off
a 160 gb SATA drive, Radeon 7000 video card (PCI). I removed the
Radeon and replaced it with a PCI-Express NV-6200LE video card.
When I try to install nvidia driver (win-98 version downloaded from
----------
Setup was unable to locate a detected device's PCI ID in NVAGP.INF The
installation will be terminated.
-------------
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?p=2111805
(downloaded from here)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=Y6CQH0O2
But I'm not having much success getting the driver to work. This is
some off-brand PCI-Express video card (XFX on the box) GeForce 6200LE.
Standard PCI Graphics Adapter (VGA) [Unknown]
Chip Vender: NVidia Corp
Device: Standard PCI Graphics Adapter (VGA)
OEM: Vender Pine Technology Ltd
PnpID: VEN_10DE&DEV_0163&SUBSYS_215E1682&REV_A1
OEM Device from Pine Technology Ltd
The install seems to work properly, but sometimes when I boot I get no
screen. Other times it will boot into standard VGA, and when I try to
change resolution, I can only change to 1024 x 768 (max) or when I try
to change colors I get (max) 16k colors but even then it says I must
restart and it never restarts properly.
Can someone here explain the differences between the different
NV-6200xx cards, and why the "LE" is not listed in the support list in
Nvidia's driver?
I also have an AGP version of an NV-6200LE that I will also try soon
on the same motherboard.
What should I look for to see if the PCI-E bus is being supported
properly by the OS?

RJK

2007-02-14 01:40:41 UTC

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Did someone say Nvidia ? ....never mind the newer PCI-e slots ! ...have you
ever tried working out, (from the MASSIVELY lacking and uninformative
info.on Nvidia's website), which "all-in-one" driver is for which model /
generation of their AGP slot graphics card ? e.g. if you've got and older
Nvidia card and run an Nvidia driver multi-driver install, (that used to
reliable detect the card and install the correct driver for it), and you've
downloaded one of the "all-in-one" downloads that's too new - YOU'VE HAD IT
!! ...you've got to go back and download an older "all-in-one" driver
download ! :-) Nowadays it's a guessing game with Nvidia ! ..and they used
to be SOOOooo damned good !

regard, Richard

Post by Brian A.
Is this the one you downloaded/installed from NVIDIA?
http://www.nvidia.com/object/win9x_81.98.html
If it is try the 71.84 or older version drivers from the link below, I
read somewhere that any versions above ?? 7.0--7.1 ?? didn't work.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/win9x_archive.html
I also read somewhere that the firmware could be flashed with the 6500
ver. Don't hold me to this, if you do try it and it toasts the card, you
toasted it on your own decision to do it. Look around or do a Google
search on it to be 100% sure before even thinking to attempt it.
--
Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/
Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

98 Guy

2007-02-14 02:02:06 UTC

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Post by Brian A.
Is this the one you downloaded/installed from NVIDIA?
http://www.nvidia.com/object/win9x_81.98.html

Yes. According to the readme file, it doesn't contain support for any
(?!) 6xxx product. Neither does the 71.84 driver.

Actually, I don't see any NVidia driver that lists 6xxx products.

I've downloaded the 81.98, 71.84 and 66.94 and don't see this:

VEN_10DE&DEV_0163

In any NVAGP.INF file.

MEB

2007-02-14 02:23:31 UTC

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"98 Guy" <***@Guy.com> wrote in message news:***@Guy.com...
| "Brian A." wrote:
|
| > Is this the one you downloaded/installed from NVIDIA?
| > http://www.nvidia.com/object/win9x_81.98.html
|
| Yes. According to the readme file, it doesn't contain support for any
| (?!) 6xxx product. Neither does the 71.84 driver.
|
| Actually, I don't see any NVidia driver that lists 6xxx products.
|
| I've downloaded the 81.98, 71.84 and 66.94 and don't see this:
|
| VEN_10DE&DEV_0163
|
| In any NVAGP.INF file.

You've run across the same issue that the original TNT owners had with the
original universal drivers.

The original "universals" started at TNT2 and progressed. The answer was to
pull one of the other OS drivers (which included the TNT) and the related
segments related to the TNT [registry entries], adding that to the new INF,
OR use the old TNT supported driver, and add the segments [related to the
TNT] from that old driver INF [registry sections] to the new [or just manual
change the individual related segments].
The problem relating to your usage will be the IRQ and addressing issues
[per my prior related post], and the drivers themselves.. likely someone on
some game forum, or a tweak site, has already addressed those issues, or are
working on them [though, like everything else, XP mods take precedence as
more are using that OS].
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nothing had happen." Winston Churchill
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_______________

98 Guy

2007-02-14 05:34:35 UTC

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Post by MEB
You've run across the same issue that the original TNT owners had
with the original universal drivers.

Yea, I really thought that NVidia had their act together.

From what I can read here:

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=171843

modding these drivers for XP and 2003 is pretty common (or necessary)
for some reason.

(why was wolverine (the starter of that thread) banned?)

Post by MEB
The problem relating to your usage will be the IRQ and addressing
issues [per my prior related post], and the drivers themselves..

Yea, I'm going to get back to that in a few days.

MEB

2007-02-15 02:51:17 UTC

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"98 Guy" <***@Guy.com> wrote in message news:***@Guy.com...
| MEB wrote:
|
| > You've run across the same issue that the original TNT owners had
| > with the original universal drivers.
|
| Yea, I really thought that NVidia had their act together.

That's what we thought as well [the owners who shelled out relatively LARGE
sums for a top of line gaming card, which was out modded within a few months
with TNT2] UNTIL they literally abandoned the TNT.
Strikingly, they continued to support the nVidia128 with new drivers [one
or two more], and supplied support for everything BUT the TNT, leaving us to
"figure out the work around"..

|
| From what I can read here:
|
| http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=171843
|
| modding these drivers for XP and 2003 is pretty common (or necessary)
| for some reason.

Modding by gamers, is generally found necessary for most drivers and
cards, they demand peak performance; whereas regular users or occasional
gamers just want what they think are stable drivers and decent speeds...
tweaking a card and driver designed for 55 to 67 fps to 155 fps is/was the
name of the "game".. think of today's normal speedy cards, well, they're
trying for "true" life graphics and speed, in environments like XP which are
not designed for gaming in 3D [regardless of supposed adverts otherwise],
too much "stuff" running and interfering. MEDIA compatibility or design, is
NOT the same as a gaming environment, apparently completely the opposite..

|
| (why was wolverine (the starter of that thread) banned?)

Likely a long story... though in moderated forums, one must be careful how
one goes about "changing attitudes"... remember he/she wasn't in just that
one thread,, nor in that one News group/forum.
It is strange, though that even the home site for wolverine was removed...
http://groups.msn.com/SquallLeonhartsGroup , but when you also play here:
http://forums.nvidia.com/lofiversion/index.php?t12230.html then your
sparking fires perhaps you shouldn't.

Likely the party who could have helped you the most WAS the one banned...
look elsewhere for her/him..
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Wolverine69r

Might try the downloads on 3dguru and look around for something:
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=1292

|
| > The problem relating to your usage will be the IRQ and addressing
| > issues [per my prior related post], and the drivers themselves..
|
| Yea, I'm going to get back to that in a few days.

Good luck, check the forums related to the attempt, likely others are
already "been there, done that"..
--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/
BLOG - http://peoplescounsel.spaces.live.com/ Public Notice or the "real
world"
http://groups.google.com/group/the-peoples-law?hl=en - discussion group for
general aspects of Law verses the Peoples' of the world

"Most people, sometime in their lives, stumble across truth.
Most jump up, brush themselves off, and hurry on about their business as if
nothing had happen." Winston Churchill
Or to put it another way:
Morpheus can offer you the two pills;
but only you can choose whether you take the red pill or the blue one.
_______________

cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)

2007-02-15 15:26:52 UTC

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Post by 98 Guy
Has anyone been able to get a PCI-Express video card working under
windows 98se?

More to the point: Do ant PCI Express motherboards offer Win98xx
drivers to power the PCI Express slots?

If the slot isn't driven, the card in the slot is irrelevant...

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98 Guy

2007-02-15 17:09:56 UTC

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Post by cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)
More to the point: Do ant PCI Express motherboards offer Win98xx
drivers to power the PCI Express slots?
If the slot isn't driven, the card in the slot is irrelevant...

If I see this in device manager:

"Via Standard PCI to PCIE bridge"

without a yellow (!) and if I'm told it's drivers are installed and
functioning, then what else do I need to look for to confirm that the
PCI-E bus is functional under win-98?

If I have a PCI-E video card installed, and in the absence of
card-specific drivers, if win-98 is driving it in basic VGA mode (like
it would with any other AGP or PCI video card) then what does that
indicate?

cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)

2007-02-17 13:34:51 UTC

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Post by 98 Guy

"Via Standard PCI to PCIE bridge"
without a yellow (!) and if I'm told it's drivers are installed and
functioning, then what else do I need to look for to confirm that the
PCI-E bus is functional under win-98?

Looks OK, if that's PCIE rather than just PCI.

Post by 98 Guy
If I have a PCI-E video card installed, and in the absence of
card-specific drivers, if win-98 is driving it in basic VGA mode (like
it would with any other AGP or PCI video card) then what does that
indicate?

When I've had motherboards that needed "special" drivers for the (in
those days, AGP) slot, the presentation was as follows:
- SVGA driven as "standard VGA"
- correct SVGA card drivers totally ignored

IOW, try as I might, I could not get the correct card drivers to
"stick". At best I could get them to install, but then they'd hang
around as a broken "other" device while the VGA would remain as VGA.

Only when effective slot drivers were in place, could the SVGA card's
PnP ID pass through to the OS and be acted upon. It became as easy as
rt-click SVGA, Update Driver, navigate to drivers, OK.

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98 Guy

2007-02-19 15:49:27 UTC

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As per this thread:

http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=92891

I've downloaded and installed this driver:

http://windows98.ic.cz/vga/fw9x8216.zip

Which claims to be "Unofficial corect driver: nVidia ForceWare 82.16",
but I'm still not able to get this PCI-e based NV 6200LE video card to
work properly.

The card shows up in the device manager with no listed problems. When
I bring up the display properties/settings, I see a dual-display
configuration (which I should be seeing) but my resolution choices are
upper-limited to 1024 x 768 x 256 colors - and when I try that I see
that the setting is quickly scaled back to 640 x 480 before a message
box comes up and tells me that I have to re-start for the settings to
take effect (even though I told it not to force a re-start in another
section). It's basically stuck in 640 x 480 x 16.

Every time the system is booted, I get a message something like "there
is a problem with your display settings" and the display properties
settings-tab comes up. This is before the desktop is rendered. I get
no "detecting new hardware" messages. I used to see problems like
this back 4, 5 years ago with some ATI AGP cards.

The video card in question is branded as "XFX" which is aka Pine Group
Inc.

Ordering code: PV-T44E-PAND
GF 6200LE Supporting 512mb DDR2 TV DVI PCI-E

It does say that "for full 512 mb support, 1gb system memory
required." Anyone know what that caveat is all about?

Hugh Candlin

2007-02-19 19:34:37 UTC

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Post by 98 Guy
The video card in question is branded as "XFX" which is aka Pine Group
Inc.
Ordering code: PV-T44E-PAND
GF 6200LE Supporting 512mb DDR2 TV DVI PCI-E
It does say that "for full 512 mb support, 1gb system memory
required." Anyone know what that caveat is all about?

The card probably has 128 MB on board the card itself.

To operate with 512 MB, the card "steals" the other 385 MB
of memory from your PC.

In order for the PC to be able to operate efficiently
and still allow the card to steal that much memory,
you need 1 GB of memory installed in the PC.